Just one more bit of the mounting evidence that Big Vita cares even less about your health than Big Pharma does, and the health dangers of unnaturally high doses of vitamins, minerals and other isolated or synthesized nutritional elements taken out of their natural context and form. While vitamins and mineral supplementation can be necessary in some cases (an underlying illness causing a deficiency, pernicious anemia, severe B12 deficiency, scurvy, etc) and a nutritional deficiency can cause various symptoms and sometimes even damage, most of us living in wealthy countries suffer more from diseases associated with excess than lack (diabetes, cancer, thyroid syndromes and other obesity related degenerative diseases).
www.rawstory.com/news/moch...82008.html
Just like Big Pharma, Big Vita pretends that they're looking after you while really looking after their bottom line. Unlike Big Pharma, Big Vita isn't regulated (and the industry has put lots of money into lobbying to make sure they can avoid regulation, including pretending any attempt to regulate their industry - selling unnatural, synthesized nutritional "supplements" - is a plot by the evil "them" to keep natural health down. The con, of course, being that unnatural supplements are natural, innately safe and healthy....and that you'd be deprived if they were regulated and required to actually sell you what they claim to be selling you.
www.rawstory.com/news/moch...82008.html
Just like Big Pharma, Big Vita pretends that they're looking after you while really looking after their bottom line. Unlike Big Pharma, Big Vita isn't regulated (and the industry has put lots of money into lobbying to make sure they can avoid regulation, including pretending any attempt to regulate their industry - selling unnatural, synthesized nutritional "supplements" - is a plot by the evil "them" to keep natural health down. The con, of course, being that unnatural supplements are natural, innately safe and healthy....and that you'd be deprived if they were regulated and required to actually sell you what they claim to be selling you.
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Sat, April 19, 2008 - 2:33 PMAdmittedly, I haven't read the article yet as I'm on the go, but I wanted to ad that often mineral supplements are sold in an undigestible form and you pay out the nose for the high concentration anyway. Someone once told me you're better off putting your vitamins in the soil and then eating the plants because they convert it into a digestible form. This is why we aren't all rockbiters (sorry, I had to channel The Neverending Story). -
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Sat, April 19, 2008 - 3:08 PMquel - Never apologize for channeling The Never Ending Story! Thanks for the mineral info. I knew iron could be difficult to absorb as a supplement, I didn't realize it was the same for other minerals. -
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Sat, April 19, 2008 - 9:56 PMPretty much all supplements in their tablet/caplet form have a low-absorption rate. Don't have any hard figures but I've heard that you only get about 10% of whatever you're taking, and the rest is flushed out of your body. This is why supplements are considered an 'inefficient" way to get your vitamin needs. Injections are the most efficient means. -
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Sun, April 20, 2008 - 4:41 AMNimb - In the case of water soluble vitamins (C and B complex - except B12) any that aren't absorbed are peed out. It's why taking megadoses of vitamin C doesn't do anything but make your kidney's work harder and potentially interact with the absorption of other vitamins and minerals. With the fat soluble vitamins (A, E, D, K and B12) any excess is stored in the fat or liver (and you need to be ingesting some fat to be able to absorb them). If someone has pernicious anemia (iron deficiency often brought on by a lack of B12 in the diet) then often B12 injections will be used, but some vitamins and minerals can be effectively taken in pill form to counteract a deficiency.
Food is our best source of nutrition though, a pill will never replace the complex nourishment we can get from eating our veggies. I always find it kind of odd when people claim to be into "natural health" while swallowing and imbibing all kinds of untested potions and powders but rejecting food as their source of nutrition! Hey, if you want the Jetson's meal-in-a-pill that's cool, it's just not "natural" per se. -
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 12:47 AMWell, the problem is that the food just doesn't have as many nutrients as it once did now that we have jacked up our soil. I do the power smoothie on occasion to boost things a bit. My problem is also that I'm just not hungry enough on most days to eat a well rounded meal.
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 5:50 AMquel - Our food isn't that denatured - sure organic veggies are richer in certain things but there's still plenty of goodness even in fresh factory farmed fruit and veg. Most North Americans eat more than enough calories, in fact we eat too much of the wrong thing and that has more to do with ill health than anything else. It's overconsumption that's killing us, not lack of vitamins (though no doubt there are people in the US - and the UK and Canada - who manage to eat all "food substances" that lack actual food content but a vitamin pill isn't going to help them!). Most of us need less, not more.
If you're not a big all-in-one meal eater (which isn't the best way to eat really anyway), as long as you snack on healthy things throughout the day, you should be fine. If you're not actually hungry then there's a good chance you're eating as much and what your body needs (or you're really distracted and busy! ;-)
One of Big Vita's selling strategies is to tell people that they can't get the nutrition you need from food so you HAVE to take their potion to be healthy. Food is 'unnatural" but vitamins which are synthetic are sold as "natural"? That's really ass backwards and ridiculous if you stop to think even for a minute. Remember, these people can lie with impunity and actually sell you something dangerous as being healthy because they've managed to avoid being regulated. It's an industry that lobbies heavily, that has a just as well developed (and less regulated) propaganda arm as Big Pharma, that rakes in huge (and I do mean huge) amounts of cash, and that promotes pseudoscience to the point where they're actually willing to endanger people's lives for profit.
All that said, taking a basic multivitamin certainly won't hurt you. It's high doses that tend to be dangerous. -
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 10:10 AMHi,
Thanks for posting this.
This is something I have been meaning to research.
I think that minerals are not digestible because they are rocks.
It takes a long time to break down rock...I guess that is what you meant by "rock biters".
Nourishing herbal infusion has lots of minerals in it and is a healthy and whole way to get lots of vitamins and minerals.
I recently heard from Susun Weed that pre-natal vitamins may cause childhood obesity.
I don't have a study to explain this. I am planning to ask her to let me know more about the studies.
Eating good whole food, wild food is very important....making food from scratch, growing food..joining a CSA,
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 11:08 AMJulie - We can absorb minerals and metals, that's why lead paint and copper pipes can be so bad for us! Minerals exist in the plants we eat, not just rocks. But, really, eating a diverse variety of good whole foods we prepare ourselves should give us everything we need if we eat a well rounded diet. As usual, it's about balance.
There are many theories about childhood obesity being currently explored by scientists, but it seems that vitamins are highly unlikely to cause childhood obesity and a lack can sometimes be very damaging to the foetus's development - folic acid in particular. That said, I'm open to evidence and reading any studies you may find - I've been wrong before and I have no doubt I will be again! Mega-dosing on a particular vitamin could be very harmful to a foetus, is that what you meant? A daily multivitamin isn't going to do much harm.
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 9:04 PMActually what I said is that "mineral are rocks" so minerals in plants need time to soak in water to be released.
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 5:17 AMJulie - I've never heard that before, can you explain why you believe this to be true and how you believe it works? How could soaking spinach in water "release" minerals? -
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 3:40 PMThe body can break down a small percentage of minerals in their solid state, but they are best absorbed in their colloidal or chelated form, which would be provided in actual food that absorbed them and changed them. Too much energy is used trying to break down solid minerals and you're paying out the wazoo for the high and pointless dosages. -
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 4:13 PMquel - I think I'm a bit confused....by minerals in their solid state do you guys literally mean crushed rocks? I did a little google and found this on colloidal minerals findarticles.com/p/article...i_20097502
I think I'll stick with letting the plants make the minerals they take from the soil bioavailable!
Of course, we're all free to experiment with our bodies and health, and do what we think best for ourselves. After all, we're the ones who have to live with the results! ;-)
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